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Post by hawgboy69 on Wed 15 Aug 2018, 1:18 pm

I have 2 mama mice with 3 week old babies. They are in 2 different habitats. One has 10 babies the other mama has 7 babies. Is it ok to put both families in 1 large habitat?

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Post by Zac8307 on Wed 15 Aug 2018, 3:03 pm

You could try but if there is ANY biting or fighting separate them immediately, if they're the same color and they all look the same them no way unless you mark their tails with markers, you have to be able to separate them when necessary

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Post by CallaLily on Wed 15 Aug 2018, 6:38 pm

You will need to separate the males from the females at 4 weeks. Males ideally should each have their own setup. Introduce females properly.

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Keeping Mice Together and Introducing Them
Sexing Mice
Males Living Together **Warning Graphic Photos**
Breeding Packet
Proper Housing

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Post by hawgboy69 on Thu 16 Aug 2018, 5:49 pm

Should I wean them at 4 weeks even if moms are letting them nurse? I appreciate both of your replies. As you can tell I'm new at this. Thanks again

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Post by CallaLily on Thu 16 Aug 2018, 9:36 pm

From the Breeding Packet:

The weaning process begins when the babies open their eyes at 2 weeks (give or take a few days) and will be completed by the time they reach 4 weeks. As their eyes open they will begin to explore and nibble on adult food as well as start tasting the water from mom's bottle. You needn't give the babies anything special to help them onto adult food and you needn't worry about them learning the bottle as mom will teach them by example. As they begin eating adult food, they will decrease their milk intake. They still need to remain with their mother until 4 weeks of age as she is still providing them with necessary milk and teaching them about life. Note that just because you don't see mom nursing it doesn't mean she isn't. You can not possibly watch them 24 hours a day to know exactly what is going on. As the babies grow, the mother will slowly wean them off her milk. They will be fully weaned by 4 weeks. At this point, you MUST separate the bucks from the does. If the bucks are not removed at 4 weeks of age they may impregnate the mother and their sisters. Do not panic when reading that and separate them too early. There is no reason to panic. Those babies need to be with mom until 4 weeks to be as healthy as possible. Separating even a few days early can prove negative (as outlined in the section above), even deadly in extreme cases. Mice can not reproduce until after the 4 week mark (some older), thus separating them on 4 weeks to the day is the safest time frame possible. On the extremely rare occasion that someone has "claimed" that a 4 week old impregnated the mother or siblings most, if not ALL, cases it has been because the caregiver simply didn't keep track of their age well enough (i.e. the litter was actually over 4 weeks of age). There is a risk to both separating before 4 weeks and waiting until after 4 weeks. 4 weeks, to the day, is the safest possible time to separate the bucks. This isn't to say that separating younger will always result in death. That isn't the case and sadly some individuals pull babies too young, not realizing the harm they are doing. The healthiest and most well-rounded babies remain with mom until 4 weeks of age. It is also beneficial (though not 'necessary') to leave the does with their mother for at least an additional week. Breeders have noted increased health and docile nature when practicing this method of caregiving.

If your litter is from pet shop lines or anywhere other than well-tracked lines from truly well-educated breeders, it is advisable to separate all of the bucks into their own enclosure at 4 weeks of age. Most bucks will fight anytime beginning shortly after weaning. This is a natural behavior. Bucks in the wild don't interact peacefully with other bucks. If a buck crosses over into his territory they will fight to the death. In captivity, this is true as well. Once their natural hormones kick in they will fight, even with their male siblings. Fighting usually occurs without any notice whatsoever! One day they will be cuddled together sleeping peacefully and the next day one or both will be DEAD or seriously maimed. Please don't take light of this! Time and time again there are cases where people ignorantly leave bucks together because "they are acting fine," they think "it would be cruel to separate them because they get along so well," and "some 'other' sites say bucks can live together" when in reality this is incredibly wrong and completely ignorant of the facts. Sadly there are many ill-informed, though well intended, sites out there. Pet shop lines (and many from great breeders as well!) will kill each other if left together simply because of natural instinct. Leaving them together until they "show signs of fighting" will often result in death as they usually don't show any signs at all. It does, in fact, happen that fast. Additionally, this stands for mice *all over the globe* not just in one region. With that said, some breeders around the world have been able to breed some of the instinct out of them, allowing the bucks to live together. This is more common, though not limited to, countries that have had domesticated mice longer (such as Europe) as they have had more time to breed the instinct out. Unless your mice come from a *good* breeder that *truly* is educated and they have been breeding a line for a substantial amount of time, don't trust that the bucks will live well together. Also, just because there are some (few) breeders out there that have been able to house bucks together it doesn't mean you will. Even lines that have some success being housed together will sometimes have problems, not to mention that bucks that have been breed often can't be housed back in a community. Risking it is NOT worth their lives!! Additionally, a novice should never attempt to allow bucks to live together, no matter the line. Leaving bucks together (with the slim exceptions stated previously) is an unnecessary risk. It is inhumanely playing with their lives. Bucks will have a happy life solo. They will also be better companions to you, as you will then be their only friend. Please don't take that out of context, apply it to all genders, and leave a female alone though. It is cruel to leave a female alone unless there is extenuating circumstance, which is very rare. If you want a single mouse, get a buck. If you want a colony, get does. If you don't have room to house bucks separately, don't breed and don't acquire more than you can handle. There's no good reason to risk their lives by housing them in settings that is not safe or in their best interest.

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