I need some help and clarification.
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I need some help and clarification.
Are Mouse varieties different in other countries and continents, (as in other than the USA) with some having more advanced breeding than others?
Please help, I'm clueless.

antant26- Jr Member
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I know that other countries have had domesticated mice for a lot longer than people in the U.S, so the mice are usually stronger and healthier, I believe. As well as easier to tame. I don't know where the domestication of mice originated or what improved faster specifically though.
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Thanks EverythingAnimal!
According to a book I read, mice have been domesticated since ancient China. A PEW was thought to represent a wise old man. Kind of amazing.

According to a book I read, mice have been domesticated since ancient China. A PEW was thought to represent a wise old man. Kind of amazing.

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Aww, interesting about the PEW. Kinda sweet. 

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That is very cool!
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So breeding in some cases has been specific to behavior? Like someone could breed males that could somehow be housed together after many generations of meticulously specific breeding, record keeping, and caution?
Note: Not encouraging putting regular old males together, of course not! This is a hypothetical and very specific instance that is not to be attempted! Males together will fight.
Note: Not encouraging putting regular old males together, of course not! This is a hypothetical and very specific instance that is not to be attempted! Males together will fight.
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I have heard that in Europe, especially Germany, keeping males together is more plausible. I believe that neutering them allows them to live together. But I can't be 100% certain, as I only heard this from one person who was very assertive about keeping boys together alongside does.
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Quite a few people here (the UK) keep males together without issues, though personally I'd never take the risk. According to the national mouse club we have the longest history of mouse breeding (although perhaps this is just in the western world if they bred them back in ancient china!). I know mouse breeders certainly breed for temperament as well as looks.
Germany is considered to have to best small animal care standards in the world, although in my opinion, they can go a little bit over the top at times. In Germany they believe that it's cruel to keep a male alone, and so you should at least try to let them live with another male. They are also more likely to neuter a male and let him live with females, which I'm sure is very nice, but not worth risking the buck's life in surgery for, in my opinion.
Germany is considered to have to best small animal care standards in the world, although in my opinion, they can go a little bit over the top at times. In Germany they believe that it's cruel to keep a male alone, and so you should at least try to let them live with another male. They are also more likely to neuter a male and let him live with females, which I'm sure is very nice, but not worth risking the buck's life in surgery for, in my opinion.
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Re: I need some help and clarification.
Thanks so much for the clarification everyone! So in some countries mice are hardier and specificly bred to be able to survive neutering and live with other males, in very specific cases. Correct?
Note: This accepting does absolutely NOT apply to American fancy mice without specific breeding.
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I gotta agree, German fancy mouse standards are amazing in many respects.
Just not exactly fit for some meeple.

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I don't think they're necessarily more able to survive neutering, more likely that certain vets are more experienced with neutering and thus have better survival rates. General anesthetic is still very, very risky for mice though - and even with the best vets, some mice won't make it. That's why I personally don't agree with it.
But yes, I think the fact that mice have been bred for good, calm temperaments for a long time here means that more people "get away with" keeping males together, because they are less aggressive. It is still risky though and I wouldn't recommend it.
But yes, I think the fact that mice have been bred for good, calm temperaments for a long time here means that more people "get away with" keeping males together, because they are less aggressive. It is still risky though and I wouldn't recommend it.
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Yes, of course. I'm guessing most of us don't have German fancy mice. The case of neutering and keeping males together is just a cherry picked example that won't work with American fancy mice, and most others. I remember NM once said that the recovery time for a mouse after a surgery is two weeks, but for the mouse it is the equivalent of living two years in pain.
Not gonna wanna try it any time soon, owie!

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