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Post by antant26 Thu 25 Aug 2016, 6:59 pm

Are Mouse varieties different in other countries and continents, (as in other than the USA) with some having more advanced breeding than others?

 Don't Know Please help, I'm clueless.

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Post by EverythingAnimal Thu 25 Aug 2016, 7:20 pm

I know that other countries have had domesticated mice for a lot longer than people in the U.S, so the mice are usually stronger and healthier, I believe. As well as easier to tame. I don't know where the domestication of mice originated or what improved faster specifically though.

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Post by antant26 Thu 25 Aug 2016, 7:25 pm

Thanks EverythingAnimal! Smile

According to a book I read, mice have been domesticated since ancient China. A PEW was thought to represent a wise old man. Kind of amazing. Smile

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Post by Peachy Thu 25 Aug 2016, 7:31 pm

Aww, interesting about the PEW. Kinda sweet. Smile
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Post by Rodents rock! Thu 25 Aug 2016, 11:02 pm

That is very cool!
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Post by antant26 Fri 26 Aug 2016, 9:23 pm

So breeding in some cases has been specific to behavior? Like someone could breed males that could somehow be housed together after many generations of meticulously specific breeding, record keeping, and caution?

Note: Not encouraging putting regular old males together, of course not! This is a hypothetical and very specific instance that is not to be attempted! Males together will fight.

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Post by CinnamonPearl Fri 26 Aug 2016, 10:24 pm

I have heard that in Europe, especially Germany, keeping males together is more plausible. I believe that neutering them allows them to live together. But I can't be 100% certain, as I only heard this from one person who was very assertive about keeping boys together alongside does.

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Post by MouseLover Sat 27 Aug 2016, 6:19 am

Quite a few people here (the UK) keep males together without issues, though personally I'd never take the risk. According to the national mouse club we have the longest history of mouse breeding (although perhaps this is just in the western world if they bred them back in ancient china!). I know mouse breeders certainly breed for temperament as well as looks.

Germany is considered to have to best small animal care standards in the world, although in my opinion, they can go a little bit over the top at times. In Germany they believe that it's cruel to keep a male alone, and so you should at least try to let them live with another male. They are also more likely to neuter a male and let him live with females, which I'm sure is very nice, but not worth risking the buck's life in surgery for, in my opinion.

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Post by antant26 Sat 27 Aug 2016, 10:32 am

Thanks so much for the clarification everyone! So in some countries mice are hardier and specificly bred to be able to survive neutering and live with other males, in very specific cases. Correct? Smile Note: This accepting does absolutely NOT apply to American fancy mice without specific breeding.

CinnamonPearl, you're thinking of my friend! The one with Akio and Teshi. Smile I gotta agree, German fancy mouse standards are amazing in many respects. Smile Just not exactly fit for some meeple.

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Post by MouseLover Sun 28 Aug 2016, 8:36 am

I don't think they're necessarily more able to survive neutering, more likely that certain vets are more experienced with neutering and thus have better survival rates. General anesthetic is still very, very risky for mice though - and even with the best vets, some mice won't make it. That's why I personally don't agree with it.

But yes, I think the fact that mice have been bred for good, calm temperaments for a long time here means that more people "get away with" keeping males together, because they are less aggressive. It is still risky though and I wouldn't recommend it.

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Post by antant26 Sun 28 Aug 2016, 12:43 pm

Yes, of course. I'm guessing most of us don't have German fancy mice. The case of neutering and keeping males together is just a cherry picked example that won't work with American fancy mice, and most others. I remember NM once said that the recovery time for a mouse after a surgery is two weeks, but for the mouse it is the equivalent of living two years in pain. Sad Not gonna wanna try it any time soon, owie!

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