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Never had mice or rats as pets before...

When baby mice are together in their litter, there is a constant, squirmy game of "king of the hill" going on, with each mousie trying to clumsily climb to the top of the mousepile, only to have a sibling climb on top, and then another and another, until eventually mousie #1 gets out from under the usurpers and makes its way back to the top.

I'm not sure what the survival instinct is up to, to drive such activity, but it could have to do with the constantly shifting balance between the necessity for the little not-quite-furry ones to keep warm within the pile versus the necessity to come up for a bite of air and avoid overheating.

And, if you think about your hand from the "view" of a baby mouse that hasn't even opened its eyes yet, your fingers sure seem like a bunch of littermates!  Mousie may prefer to keep climbing into your hand because it is trying to play "king of the hill" with your fingers.  Since sleeping in the mousepile is the most natural place, and since your fingers are the closest thing mousie currently has to that, try to let your little friend spend as generous an amount of time there as you can afford.
by MerciToujoursMaPetiteBoop
on Mon 20 Jul 2020, 5:58 pm
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Topic: Never had mice or rats as pets before...
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What color do you think this couple is?

I've planned a litter dubbed the "Mad Max" litter. I've got this female (Maddie) and this male (Max). Their fur color is very similar, but Maddie is a bit lighter than Max. Maddie also has some sparse pieces of longer fur that are clear or white in color. Max's fur color is much deeper and richer in color. He also has a lighter colored chest. So, I got to thinking that maybe they aren't the same color? I've attached two pictures of each of them individually, and one picture of them side by side. What do y'all think?

(Quick background info/ Not necessary info, just a note: I've only been breeding mice since February of this year, so I'm appreciative of all the help I can get. I'm struggling with identifying phenotypes/ fur colors of my mice. They don't come from reputable breeders, so I don't have much genetic info to work off of. I got them from a friend who bred them for her reptiles. Since she stopped breeding them herself, I decided to give it a go with her leftover stock because I love mice.)

Maddie Picture #1 (Her tail is not injured, I know it looks a bit off. We went to the vet and she got it stained because she looks identical to her sisters.)
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Maddie Picture #2
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Max Picture #1
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Max Picture #2 (He's not overweight, he's just hunched over a treat.)
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Max & Maddie Picture #1
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My best guess is:
Max is Mock Chocolate.
Maddie is Chocolate.

The only other info that I can offer is that Maddie may have a sister who was long-haired Recessive Yellow with white patches. Not sure if they're real sisters or just born at the same time in the same tank thought because that was before I got them all and started tracking who was related to who.

Any help would be appreciated!
Just give me your opinions, please, or best guess!
by Murmur
on Thu 30 May 2019, 4:52 pm
Search in: Genetics & Reproductive Care
Topic: What color do you think this couple is?
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AppleCheeks - The Zoo

@River wrote:Lol, I guess I got girl laid an egg three days after we got her home. No guessing here.

I'm gonna bet male for Squigg -- just a guess!  My girls facial yellow is very dusty, like a film, but perhaps Squigg is just a bright girl...or maybe cinnamon mutations work a little differently. Boys are also more common talkers, though my girl isn't exactly quiet either, lol. Either way, I love cinnamons.   Laughing

And hey, at least a DNA test gives you something to look forward too.  Wink

Don't mind me, just rewording this post entirely cause I'm fussy lol.
To be honest, I've been referring to Squigg as a boy since I got him, how could he not be a boy with all that wolf whistling? (Im kidding of course). From most of the pictures I have seen, males tend to have a pretty defined yellow face (nice sharp edges) but he doesn't have that yet - it could just be that he needs to go through another moult but who knows.
DNA will be sorted tomorrow (Sunday), I have a friend meeting me at work - she gets to be the big baddy who plucked some of his feathers - not me.


Remember the tiel I mentioned in my previous post? The one I got rejected from adopting because my birds are caged at night or when I'm not home? Said friend mentioned above is also bringing her to me! Granted it's more of a "Hey! I couldn't rehome her before my holiday so here!" type thing. I don't get much say in this whole thing (we all know I actually do but I'm far to nice at the best of times), but gosh, from what I've been told she's a total doll and I don't know if she will leave. Am I prepared for a potential breeding pair of tiels? Gosh no..
But look! She just wants some love Heart Eyes
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Another wee update I'm super excited about.
A friend of mine runs a small scale mobile petting zoo type business, so she has all sorts of animals. She ended up with 2 goats that honestly.. may as well be feral and of course, pregnant. She recently lost her pet goat that she used for the petting zoo thing so she asked me if I'd be interested in bottle feeding the babies from these "feral" goats when they're born (well you know, a few days after birth so they get all the colostrum etc they need). Who was I to say no?
Mumma #1 gave birth yesterday. 3 babies in all. Sadly, two of them weren't meant for this world so there is only one itty bitty baby left - he's coming to me on Tuesday! Look at those floppy ears Kiss
Apparently the world wants me to have a baby goat after all!

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by AppleCheeks
on Fri 17 Aug 2018, 3:26 am
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Topic: AppleCheeks - The Zoo
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What colours are my mice?

Looks like:

#1 broken champagne
#2 satin RY and broken champagne
#3 CUTE broken champagne
#4 the one in the cage is broken satin RY, out of the cage satin RY
by scaredymouse
on Wed 20 Dec 2017, 11:14 am
Search in: Genetics & Reproductive Care
Topic: What colours are my mice?
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Views: 1009

What are you doing today?

When I was younger, my parents called me an alien because I was "never tired." Today I took a nap at like 5:30. It might be because I'm sick and my tooth hurts. But I decided to start Googling to see if 26 is late twenties or still mid-twenties. I don't know. But I found this:
Buzzfeed's Every Year Of Your Twenties, Ranked From Worst To Best

So on Facebook I once posted that I can't wait to be 28 and pondered starting to tell everyone that I'm 28 now so that I can be 28 for a few extra years. The Buzzfeed list was posted on my birthday AND 28 is #1. This is like confirmation that 28 will be the best year ever.

Today I also attempted to finish painting our bedroom. It was orange, now it'll be a hazy gray-purple. Boring! But I like it. Chicken and baked potatoes for dinner. It sounds like I'm losing my voice. I don't want it to go away. I want it to stay. My cat also broke his tail. We're a busy bunch of creatures around here. Laughing
by Peachy
on Wed 04 Oct 2017, 7:10 pm
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Topic: What are you doing today?
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Biting.. Sorta?

Rocky is such a strange mouse. He seems to like me, and likes being petted. He waits for me up at the hammock, and I take him out for a while and just sorta free range him somewhere, like the lid of a bin, in a bin, the lid of my hamster's cage, or sometimes I just take him to see the girls, haha. I get him in my hand and hold him up to the glass so he can see them. However, he bites me sometimes...? It doesn't seem to be out of territorial issues or anything. And it isn't hard, either. When Scout bites me, my finger bleeds like crazy and it hurts. It never bleeds with Rocky though, it isn't a nip, but a bite sort of on the more gentle side. I do sprinkle chia seeds, flax seeds, etc. through the screen of his tank sometimes though, should I stop doing that? Maybe he associated my finger with food? The last 2 times he bit me, this is how it happened:

Scenario #1: I was removing items from his tank, getting ready to clean it. I removed everything except his hide where he was sleeping. I carefully brushed away the bedding from the front of his hide with my finger, then suddenly felt his teeth biting my finger. He was probably startled?

Scenario #2: This was today, actually. I took him out for a photo shoot. He was in a little igloo hide, and started to dig into the bedding underneath it. I just put my finger near his face while he was digging, and he nipped me. He didn't seem upset or anything, it was just kind of a random nip Confused

What does it sound like the issue is?
by AnonymousMouseOwner
on Sun 21 May 2017, 9:00 pm
Search in: Mouse Behavior
Topic: Biting.. Sorta?
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What should I say?

No - There isn't much, actually. Basically, it is two Crittertrail size cages out on a table, and the doors are open on them. Crittertrail #1 has Carefresh bedding, a water bottle, a 7 inch wheel, and a small hidey house. Crittertrail #2 has two inappropriately sized wheels, a food dish, and a water bottle. Then, out on the table, there is a mesh wheel, it looks to be the 4.5 inch one, but I can't tell for sure, a water bottle, some kind of stick to chew on, 1 TP tube, a mason jar, and a food dish. The bedding for the table is just felt or fleece, it looks like. I can compliment them on the out of cage time, and their use of mesh wheels (since mice love mesh wheels!), thanks!
by AnonymousMouseOwner
on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 4:13 pm
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Topic: What should I say?
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Views: 788

Best mouse food (from Walmart only!)

For CallaLily and anyone else who can't see the links I'll paste the ingredients and analysis of the foods here:

Bonanza Hamster
Crude protein (minimum) - 12.5%.
Crude fat (minimum) - 5.5%.
Crude fiber (maximum) - 11%.

Ingredients: Wheat Middlings, Whole Wheat, Whole Com, Ground Corn, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Red Milo, Cracked Corn, White Millet, Green Split Peas, Oat Groats, Black Oil Sunflower Seeds, Pumpkin Seeds, Soybean Hulls, Soy Flour, Striped Sunflower Seeds, Shelled Peanuts, Toasted Corn Flakes, Soybean Oil, Roasted Soybeans, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Dried Bananas, Corn Gluten Meal, Rolled Oats, Raisins, Calcium Carbonate, Beet Molasses, Dried Papaya, Dried Carrots, Navy Beans, Cane Molasses, Dicalcium Phosphate, Wheat Flour, Dried Whey, Choline Chloride, Salt, Brewers Dried Yeast, Mineral Oil, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Potassium Chloride, L-Lysine, Ferrous Sulfate, Kaolin, Magnesium Oxide, Calcium Propionate (a preservative), Color Added (Yellow #5, Blue #1, Yellow #6, Titanium Dioxide, Red #40, Red #3), Corn Distillers Dried Grains, Sodium Selenite, DL-Methionine, Niacin Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Zinc Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Rice Hulls, Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Propionic Acid (a preservative), Folic Acid, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (a preservative), Cobalt Carbonate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Silicon Dioxide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Citric Acid (a preservative), Vegetable Oil, Rosemary Extract, Sodium Selenate, Calcium Iodate.

Wild Harvest Hamster and Gerbil
This is all they provide on the link:
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by AnonymousMouseOwner
on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 4:20 pm
Search in: Nutrition
Topic: Best mouse food (from Walmart only!)
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I need some help naming my mice!

I'm not sure what to pick for mouse #2, and you've already picked for mouse #1, but for mouse #3, I like fawn, it just fits her personality Smile

Good luck picking names! Smile
by AnonymousMouseOwner
on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:14 pm
Search in: General Mouse Chat
Topic: I need some help naming my mice!
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I need some help naming my mice!

Hello everyone! So I've had my 3 girls for 3 weeks now and I still have not decided on names for them yet. I've limited my list down to about 15, but here are my favorites for each mouse. If you have any suggestions or opinions please feel free to leave them! (I could really use some help, lol Laughing )

Mouse #1-
Very outgoing, was the least afraid of my hand at first. Always wants to do what the others are doing (sees someone running on the wheel, she goes on the wheel. Sees someone at the water bottle, she drinks out of the same bottle). Curious, smart, and loves climbing. She is a leader, I would say.

Name options- Maisey (I'm pretty set on this one)

Mouse #2-
She became outgoing once she warmed up to me. She feels better about doing something if mouse #1 does it too, but she can be independent at times. Also enjoys climbing and is curious. Loves the wheel. She is kind to her sisters (gives them treats).

Name options- Kisiel (name after rogue, long story but I'm curious if people like this name), Leia, Kamini, Alina, Kasia, Kasin, Karina, Ania

Mouse #3-
She is very shy and skittish and scared of hands still. Likes to sleep and hide, always pushes bedding onto my hand or blocking the doorways of the hides in their cage. Always squints when she sniffs my hand for some reason.

Name options- Rosie, Tulip, Poppy, Fawn, Fern, Coral
by MooMouse
on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 9:12 pm
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Topic: I need some help naming my mice!
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Are Potatoes and "tomato pomace" Safe for Mice?

Hello, I'm looking into an organic/natural dog food that I could give my mice as treats once in a while. However, potatoes and tomato pomace appear pretty high up on the ingredient list. I was wondering if anyone knows if these ingredients are safe? I know that tomatoes should be avoided but would it be a big issue if it was in a dog food?

Here are the ingredient lists:

Food #1:
Lamb meal, brown rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, fish oil, potassium chloride, yucca plant extract, choline chloride, calcium propionate, vitamin C, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, pyridoxine, vitamin B12, d-pantothenic acid, folic acid, d-biotin, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium, blueberries, raspberries, cranberries, taurine, glucosamine

Food #2:
Potato, wild herring meal and/or wild anchovy meal and/or wild sardine meal, tomato pomace, chicken fat, (preserved with mixed tocopherols), fish oil, dicalcium phosphate, choline chloride, calcium propionate, yucca plant extract, minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium), vitamins (vitamin E, riboflavin, niacin, d–pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3), glucosamine.

Food #3:
Potato, chicken meal, chicken fat, (preserved with mixed tocopherols), whole blueberries, potassium chloride, methionine, choline chloride, calcium propionate, minerals, (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate,, iodine, cobalt, selenium) vitamins (vitamin E, riboflavin, niacin, d–pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, yeast extract (a source of prebiotics), glucosamine

Food #4:
Chicken meal, pearled barley, oat meal, brown rice, potato flour, chicken fat(preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, wild herring meal and/or wild anchovy meal and/or wild sardine meal, fish oil, potassium chloride, methionine, cranberries, blueberries, raspberries, kelp, choline chloride, calcium propionate, sage extract, rosemary extract, garlic oil, minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium), vitamins (vitamin E, vitamin C, riboflavin, niacin, d-pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine), folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, glucosamine.

Thank you!
by MooMouse
on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm
Search in: Nutrition
Topic: Are Potatoes and "tomato pomace" Safe for Mice?
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Post your pics for Mouse of the Month!!!

UPDATED w/ a poll. Pictures still accepted until January 15th.
The options/titles below are linked to the pictures that were entered... vote for the picture you like best by choosing the matching number in the poll.
Example: Vote for "Pic #1: Cece being groomed by Millie" by choosing Pic #1 in the poll.

Pic #1: Cece being groomed by Millie

Pic #2: My Yoshi Boo

Pic #3: Blossom being cute

Pic #4: Flynn cutely cuddled up in something warm and fuzzy

Pic #5: HoneyBee and Peach

Pic #6: Sleepy little angel, Bitsy

Pic #7: Bitsy being the cutest

Pic #8: Rocky

Pic #9: Flynn is still being so darn cute Smile

Pic #10: Patches on her coconut

Pic #11: Gingernut poking her head out

Pic #12: Annie

Pic #13: Cuteness in your hand

Pic #14:
A Mousey Peace Sign

Pic #15: Odin

Pic #16: Wittle Oreo

Pic #17: Lovely Hazel Love

Pic #18:Rogue

Pic #19: Your picture here. Wink

Everyone ready for the January "Mouse of the Month" photo contest?!

Post your favorite mouse pictures here (or PM them to a mod if you prefer), old ones or new ones, by January 15, 2017. On the 15th, we'll update this thread with a poll. Winner will get a profile badge and be featured in the forum banner!

Please PM all questions to a moderator. All comments that don't include a mouse picture will be removed until after the poll is posted.

And go! Smile
by Peachy
on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 8:08 pm
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Topic: Post your pics for Mouse of the Month!!!
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Mouse Lead

I really, really do not recommend it.

#1: It won't fit snugly enough to make it escape proof (mice are much smaller than most hamsters, and certainly more svelte). The mouse could wriggle out and escape. A domestic mouse getting lost outdoors wouldn't have a good survival rate.

#2: The mouse likely wouldn't enjoy it. Mice are somewhat agoraphobic - they don't feel safe in big open spaces, as they are more vulnerable to predators. Even in the wild mice tend to stay under cover, along the edges of walls, or near objects to stay more hidden - and they run. A leisurely walk out in the open is a nightmare for a mouse.

#3: You could step on your mouse.

#4: You can't control what your mouse will come into contact with. Cats, or other predators (which at the very least could make your mouse feel stressed). Droppings/urine of wild mice - which could spread diseases or parasites. Puddles or rain, which could make your mouse sick if he got wet. The cold. And that's just 3 things.

#5: Mice are fundamentally home-bodies. They do not like to be away from home, in environments that they are not used to, for long periods of time. It can be quite stressful for them.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I just don't think it's a good idea. I know you mean well, and are just trying to think of fun ways to interact with your mouse, so maybe consider other things like creating a "mouse playground" for him to explore, on a table top or in a playpen or bathtub Smile

EDIT: Oops, didn't see EverythingAnimals post. Sorry for repeating things!
by MouseLover
on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 6:31 pm
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Topic: Mouse Lead
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Possibly pregnant females, seeking advice

Mice are pretty good at the whole baby thing. If things go wrong, babies being eaten / dying young. There is usually nothing you could have done to have prevented it. So take lots of deep breaths and try not to fret too much Wink Something us mice people are super good at when it comes to our mice.... xD

You can clean as per normal if you would like, I would avoid any strong chemicals for the first month. So nothing with a scent. Also avoid changing the nest. Leave it all there till pups are weaned. Mum mouse will keep that area clean herself.
Personally I leave the tank / tub for atleast a week. Then I go in and change most of the bedding and clean toys so on.

There are a few litters who are incredibly quiet. But most of the time you will hear them. Like @abeona said, you will hear them before you see anything.

Handling pups is such a bizarre topic. Some of my friendliest, nicest mice have come from my most neglected litters. JJ my people loving pet has a full sister who loathes me xD So I don't think there is a right or wrong answer when it comes to handling the pups. I had a nanny mouse who would run for cover when she saw you / grab and scatter the pups all over the tank when you approached the tank. All those pups now display the same behaviour despite the intensive handling from day one.

Good pet mice are going to be good pet mice. Handling the pups without a doubt helps, especially once they are in your hand. However a lot of it is already written in their DNA. So if you are worried that mum mouse will spook the pups start a routine early. Every time you touch the tank leave behind food. Doesn't have to be treats, any food will do. She will be hungry a few days after birth. She will appreciate any and all food. And we all know, even if it is the same old boring food we always eat, if it is given to us by someone else it is always better than what is at home in the fridge Razz

You can move the tank out into a high traffic area too a few days after birth. She may never be a people mouse and love having you around. But the idea is to avoid that flight response. You don't want that passed to her pups. Having her think of food when you go near the cage and not survival is step #1. Hopefully by day 10 when the litter starts reacting to their environment the doe will hopefully be a little less flighty.

What I am about to suggest has potential risks. However instead of removing mum from the tank. If you want to handle the pups. Move the hide, most mice will nest in some sort of hide. Pick that up and move it across the tank over some new fresh food. If she picks the pups up and frantically tries to move them. Immediately replace the hide and leave them be. The last thing you want is pinkies scattered all over the tank.
If she scurries after the hide and .. hides. Then feel free to handle the pups. Repeat the process a few times a day for short bursts, always making sure new feed is added when you move the hide. and always moving the hide back over the nest when you are done.
Please understand the risks involved with this, there is a very good reason why all breeders will advise removing mum when handling her babies. I have found greater long term success with skittish untamed doe's when she isn't being chased around and removed once or twice a day.

At the end of the day all you can do is read your mouse and go with your gut feeling.
by Mouseketeers
on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 6:56 am
Search in: Genetics & Reproductive Care
Topic: Possibly pregnant females, seeking advice
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Views: 4611

The Mousketeers

@abeona - Thanks Smile Food is my #1 love Wink

Top photo is one of Roz's pups @ just under 4 wks.
Bottom photo is the pups dad Frosty a week before they were born.
Family similarity much? They even have the same markings on their butt Love Heart Eyes
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by Mouseketeers
on Tue 11 Oct 2016, 6:45 pm
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